6mm Hubcentric wheel spacers - batch 2

[Mitus]

Hello all,

Had a few people ask about the possibility of a second batch of the aluminium spacers I had made for my ZS:





Specs:
140mm outside diameter.
4 x 100 PCD, 12mm holes.
Bored out 56mm by 5mm deep on rear.
56mm by 4mm deep protusion on front.
47mm hole through middle.

Price is £30 per pair, ideally I need at least 5 people to say they definitely want a pair to make it worthwhile having them made. Perfect if you need clearance from Rob's big brake group buy

So those of you who have already asked about a second batch, get your names down, and those of you who have just seen these for the first time and decided you need them in your life, get your names down too

[carl747]

Carl747 1 More Set

[ttrw2]

Just to say to anyone thinking of buying these, but not quite committed: This is a most excellent price for a pair of 6mm thick ally hubcentrics; I looked into making a batch to appease the guys who'd need them for Brembo GB and best price I could do was more than £40/pair!

Buy a pair!

Cheers
Rob

[420gsitlover]

yes i will have a pair. what about longer studs can we get any ?

[Mitus]

Thanks Rob

Longer studs, PeteT16 did some experimenting and has pointed me in the direction of these.

Price is per pack of 4 and they'll need cutting down to suit your wheels/nuts. Not got any myself yet but will be investing.

[BazR]

Go on then, I have no intention of running my BRM's on the Coupe with the Brembos ( I say that now )

Baz - 1 set

[Drew]

bump.

Drew - 1 set
Baz - 1 set
Carl747 - 1 Set

cheers
Drew

[Drew]

bump.

Drew - 2 sets
Baz - 1 set
Carl747 - 1 Set

my mate cant get close to this price, tis cheap as.

cheers
Drew

[Drew]

missed someone out

420gsitlover - 1 set
Drew - 2 sets
Baz - 1 set
Carl747 - 1 Set

5 ppl? everyone still interested?

Drew

[James ZS]

420gsitlover - 1 set
Drew - 2 sets
Baz - 1 set
Carl747 - 1 Set
James ZS - 1 Set

Hoping to get some brembos at a later date so if I get these now I will be force to get bigger brakes

[Mitus]

One of my existing customers has suggested a couple of alterations to these to make them an easier/better fit. I will have a proper look into it soon and update accordingly

[jase]

Ill have a pair to mate,
What do you mean make easier to fit tho? Surely they just slide over the studs?


420gsitlover - 1 set
Drew - 2 sets
Baz - 1 set
Carl747 - 1 Set
James ZS - 1 Set
Jase - 1 pair


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[Drew]

they want to be able to hold the spacer onto the hub with the disc retaining screw.

Drew

[Stevo135+]

I don't think that i can use BRM's on the coupe with the GB Brembo kit fitted, although i don't know 100% for certain. I presume if i bite the bullet and get a set of Rota 17" wheels that i wouldn't then need any spacers?

If i did need spacers id definately have a set from you, they look very cool!
Would there be any advantage in having a set on the back to match the front track?

[Drew]

prolly not but im getting a 2nd set to try that out.

Drew

[jase]

they want to be able to hold the spacer onto the hub with the disc retaining screw.

Thanks Drew,
why? Sorry if i sound like a kid but not sure of the point or if im missing something!





J

[Neilbaker86]

they want to be able to hold the spacer onto the hub with the disc retaining screw.

Thanks Drew,
why? Sorry if i sound like a kid but not sure of the point or if im missing something!

That was a minor point to stop them getting stuck to the wheel when you take it off and then dropping on the floor or inside the wheel and damaging the paint on the wheels. There are some other tollerances which need looking into, as they took an awful lot of jiggling to get them to fit over the studs on my car, and the centre flange wouldn't actually fit on, again just tollerances which may need very slightly adjusting.

I'm sure Andy (Mitus) will be looking into these points and will report his findings to improve these even further.

[jase]

Ah, i see.
Beware tho, my current spacers stick to the insert on my TD wheels (but not stock or wolfrace), given how stuck they get id expect the retaining screw to snap before they released. (there would be a lot of force if you wiggled a wheel)

But yeh, i see what you mean with tolerances, I was supprised how accurate spacers need to be.



J

[Mitus]

Sorry for the delay on these guys, as Neil has mentioned there are a couple of alterations to be made with regards to tolerances. There is also a good chance they will become 7mm wide to accomodate a deeper spigot on the standard hub, there seems to be a difference between my ZS and the R8's.

They will be made!!

Regarding them sticking to the wheels, yes there will be provisions to use the retaining screw through the disc and into the hub. A liberal coating of copper ease on the face of the spacer & spigot should reduce the chance of wheels sticking to them.

[Mitus]

My apologies for the delay with these guys!

Right, first off, a big thank you to Neilbaker86 for doing some trial fitting with some of the original spec spacers and reporting any tweeks that could be made to make fitting easier. I have just come back from the machine shop and have asked for 20 of the following spec:

4 x 100 PCD with 12.2mm dia holes
Recess in rear to be 56.1mm dia and 5.2mm deep
Nose on front to be 56mm dia and 5mm deep
Spacer thickness will be 7mm
Overall thickness will be 12mm (1mm on spacer, 1mm on front of nose)

Outside diameter:
Originally these spacers were for my own brake conversion using discs with a bell of 140mm, I had the spacers made this diameter to make it look neater. Going largest to smallest, these are the bell diameters for possible fitment:
326mm - Brembo GB - 164.3mm (cheers Rob )
316mm - R56 JCW - 140mm (my conversion)
282mm - ZR160/ZS180 standard front - ???mm - anyone have one lying around?!
262mm - standard front all others - 152mm
260mm - ZR160/ZS180 standard rear - 155mm
239mm - standard front all others - 140mm

Why Rover couldn't stick to one size I don't know
This batch of 20 are being made to 164mm O/D as that is the largest measurement, I can then have them reduced as per people's requirments.

Fitment on rear:
Unfortunatley fitting these spacers to the rear of the car isn't as straight forward as you'd hope. The existing location on the hubs is much deeper, around 8mm. As the spacers will only accomodate 5mm (the extra 0.2mm being for clearance) I suggest some additional 3mm shims to sit inbetween. I can have these made, but would need to know how many.

Locating screws:
I forgot to drop off a disc for the guys at the machine shop to copy No matter, I can make a template myself and will add these holes afterwards. I am even planning to provide a pilot hole 90deg around from the actual hole for people to drill the Brembo discs, as I know these only have the 4 stud holes. Hopefully Rob/C2K can comment on drilling these discs and how it would affect returns etc, hopefully there won't be any returns of course I will supply 2 x M6x20mm countersunk stainless allen bolts per spacer.

Wheel studs:
As the spacers are now 1mm wider, I would stongly suggest using longer wheel studs to be on the safe side. You will definitely need them at the rear if using the additional 3mm shim. I will look into a GB on the ARP ones for those interested.

Cost:
I don't know yet, I will obviously update when I do. They are bigger, so using more material but the work involved will be the same, plus I'm having a larger batch made this time so shouldn't be too much different from batch 1.
Update: Delivered costs for a pair of spacers is £35, with 8 ARP studs, £65.

What to do now:
If you still want some (and with 20 heading my way, I sincerely hope you do ) please add your name below and state where they will be fitted on the car/over what disc, whether you require 3mm shims for the rear and also if you want ARP studs/quantity of.

Thank you all for your patience

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[carl747]

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[Mitus]

[cough]and state where they will be fitted on the car/over what disc, whether you require 3mm shims for the rear and also if you want ARP studs/quantity of.[/cough]

[Cableguy]

They arp studs, i assume they are just to be knocked in from behind as per normal ones ? i.e removal and refitting of the drive flange ?

[matt077]

would love a set for the rear of mine but dont want to spend money on goodies until i know its FULLY back on road

[Mitus]

They arp studs, i assume they are just to be knocked in from behind as per normal ones ? i.e removal and refitting of the drive flange ?

Looking at pics of them, yes they knock in from the back. Good job you mentioned removal of the drive flange though, hadn't realised that was part of the process, but makes sense!

[Cableguy]

Yeah , i thought they might be some funky thing that extend the stock bolts for a minute. The drive flange will need knocking off and the bearing probably will need replacing as chances are half of it will still be stuck to the drive flange

I have some 10mm spacers and need to get some longer studs ( to fill the jap arches ) but im not sure i can be bothered

[Mitus]

I know what you're saying about the bearing, but I'm not sure it needs to be replaced. Re-grease the taper and fit it back on, when the hub nut is torqued it will pull it all together as it was before.

I knocked the drive flange in and out the hub a fair bit when I was doing my TF conversion, had very slight lay when all assembled (off the car) so thought I'd fit new bearings to each side. Still had slight play, was only then I realised it needed to be on the car, torqued up, to pull the bearing together fully.

[Neilbaker86]

You shoudn't need to drill the discs from the Brembo group buy (well at least the non-grooved ones - haven't seen the others) as they have two sets of bolt holes in them, so the M6 retaining screw should hopefully go straight through one of the larger bolt holes.

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2) James ZS
3) Carl747 282's Front
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[Drew]

1) Baz
2) James ZS
3) Carl747 282's Front
4) Neilbaker86 (Front, Brembo group buy discs, with ARP studs)
5) Drew ZS180 Brembodge fronts, 2 sets.
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cheers
Drew

[James ZS]

1) Baz
2) James ZS ( Front, Brembo Discs, + ARP Studs)
3) Carl747 282's Front
4) Neilbaker86 (Front, Brembo group buy discs, with ARP studs)
5) Drew ZS180 Brembodge fronts, 2 sets.
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Assume the ARP studs will be the same setup for the ZS?? Also whats the advantage of having shims on the back will it effect the handling at all?

[Mitus]

Thanks for the updates guys, anyone who has the Brembo's already fitted, could you confirm you can see/get to the M6 thread on the drive flange for locating screws?

Assume the ARP studs will be the same setup for the ZS?? Also whats the advantage of having shims on the back will it effect the handling at all?

The ARP studs are actually listed as Honda Civic fitment, so more similar to the ZS than the 200 series. R8, bubble & ZS all list the same part number for wheel studs.
With the shims, it's not so much a case of an advantage, more a necessity! Carl747 had problems with the first set I sent him fitting to the rear, I have since measured a trailing arm and can see why! The recess in the rear isn't deep enough to take the existing wheel location on the hub. The shim would go on first, then the spacer, then the wheel. Obviously this will widen the track at the rear so you could argue a slight difference in handling, but it won't be much. Yes, I could have had them made one-piece, 10mm wide, but thought it easier to go the way I have and just provide shims for those wanting to fit them to the rear.

[420gsitlover]

front brembo setup and longer studs please