UKIP's top brass... a man of true Class

[MGJohn]

Get's my vote ...

One of Longbridge's finest.

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Hardly think something French or German would suit his EU stance ... Unlike some folks I could mention...

[rovermadman4825]

Nice to see him flying the British motorist flag lol

[1234dist]

its an mg, so owned by bmw so german.

Bit more comfy than a westfield.

[southside]

its an mg, so owned by bmw so german.

Bit more comfy than a westfield.

Technically it's owned my China, and if you want to get even more pedantic it's based on a Honda so more Japanese

[stefaclese]

The photo on the fb shows he uses a VW transporter too...

Hypocrisy from a man who makes himself sound like he belongs in an episode of Keeping Up Appearances? Surely not...

By all means go and vote for the watered down BNP, but at the very least do some actual research in to them before blindly following the populist crap that spews from their mouths, a lot of what they are saying now is the polar opposite of what they have said in the past.

[maestrovdpt16]

He is a massive *sniff* I love u!, vote for him and watch how quickly he turns into Cameron and worse.

[vinny19791]

Top bloke
Will get my vote again

Can't be any worse

As for miliband what a clown!!

[stefaclese]

Cameron? He'd give Nixon a run for his money!

[maestrovdpt16]

yep, I know. I stand by my words though. He is an ex banker who claimed to call out against MEP's claiming massive expenses while filling his already full coffers by the same means. A huge hypocrite who claims to offer an alternative without mentioning he wouldn't be able to change the system at all so how can an alternative to the Westminster mentality be on the cards?

I strongly suspect the rise of UKIP is all media driven by Super scumbag Murdoch to appeal to disaffected Labour voters. Divide and rule etc. Then the tories stand a better chance of getting re elected.

[maestrovdpt16]

Can't be any worse than the tories? At least they have an adgenda! UKIP are like a blank card beyond false claims, bigotry and clownery!

If you believe the Sun, or Mail then yes they are making Labour out to be a clown, but that is Murdoch again twisting your reality. I'm beginning to think Labour may well have the answer this time, at least their claims are to spend more time not chiefly considering the 1%

Top bloke
Will get my vote again

Can't be any worse

As for miliband what a clown!!

[stefaclese]

Never mind that UKIP have an awful lot of ex-BNP members in their ranks. But of course nobody ever bothers to think of what is beyond the front cover.

If I were more sadistically inclined I'd want them to get in to power just to show all the people that buy in to them how badly down the shitter the country would go, wouldn't affect me too much as I can pretty much work in any country without any problems.

Pity Labour wouldn't go far enough, they should do what the French have done with respect to actually taxing the wealthiest in society properly - the ones who don't want to pay can fcuk off out of the country! At least they're finally prepared to abolish non-dom status, which is a start.

[peteT16]

Vote Al Murray

[Steve220]

I'm tired of this utter clown and his party trying to sugar coat their racist and bigoted view to get votes.

[Punx0r]

Pity Labour wouldn't go far enough, they should do what the French have done with respect to actually taxing the wealthiest in society properly - the ones who don't want to pay can fcuk off out of the country!

Apparently that is exactly what has happened in France - in response to higher taxation a lot of the rich folk have moved to the UK! As a result the French are actually collecting less in tax than they were before. Greece went the opposite way: borrow & spend.

According to the IMF (who are independent) the UK strategy has proved more successful than either of those.

My problem with the current Labour party, aside from Milliband being as smug as Blair was but even less competent, is that they're not a labour party any more. Their cabinet is full of publically educated millionaire toffs who haven't worked in the real world. They're like the Tories but with an addiction to borrowing huge sums of money and frittering it away.

TTIP and the NHS are both concerns I have with the Tories, but in the last parliament they have succeeded in reducing the budget deficit whilst greatly increasing the tax-free income allowance. They also the claim they will make it so anyone earning minimum wage pays no income tax at all. That's the sort of thing I'd expect from a true Labour party, yet all I recall Labour doing was abolishing the 10p tax rate and jacking up the price of fuel.

[peteT16]

Ed Balls as Chancellor, laughable,

[MGJohn]

Depressing. Very, very depressing.

MG "Interesting" John has had much interest in all the GEs since Harold Wilson was successful back in October 1964.

None, not a single one has left me anywhere near so very depressed as the whole sickening run-up to this one has done.

Have I changed or has the process changed further for the worse?

One thing is a certainty... none of them have the answers because most fail to face the very serious aspects of harsh reality of the way this Nation has excelled only in getting far too many things quite simply .... WRONG!

So I now regard my vote for any of them will be a wasted vote. Thus my wasted vote will be for Nigel's party.

Earlier watched BBC's Daily Politics .... Lefties rule ... ....

Meantime ...

..... Desperate Dave is today launching his small business Policy.

Hoo-bleedin'-Ray for that! 'Bout bluddy time! Small business may not be his Party's favourite benefactors but they keep this nation surviving much moreso than the Tory's BIG Business paymasters.

UKIP's Deputy Chairperson ( see I'm all pc now .. ) Suzanne Evans answering BBC lefty luvvies loaded questions quite impressively ... as per usual. Well done that woman..

>>> < Meantime, the Two Eds are busy watering their sapling Money Trees.

We're doomed...

Youz cudnee mek it oop th'noos....

[Smilerbaker]

this is exactly why democracy doesn't work, most people say "whats in it for me" cheaper fags, more benefits, cheaper booze, less tax, I'm voting for you. Then the country goes down the toilet.

Then conveniently forget the mess and vote for the same people again.

This election is a turning point for the UK, never have so many minor parties had a chance of actually achieving something, in my whole lift time its only ever been tory or labour.
labour come in, spend spend spend, screw the country up,
tories come in and make all the hard choices. cut cut cut and fix things, just for
labour to come in etc etc

now a vote for the greens, ukip, snp etc etc could actually mean one of these guys get into the cabinet, and that scares the hell out of the big two, that can only be a good thing

[james3990]

Just to enlighten on the subject, I came across this the other week on the internet



I didn't register to vote, my job is political enough as it is.

Better things to be doing at my age. Maybe when I'm older like yourself John I will have more experience on this subject.

[MGJohn]

>> much snipped <<

.... now a vote for the greens, ukip, snp etc etc could actually mean one of these guys get into the cabinet, and that scares the hell out of the big two, that can only be a good thing

Yes, a very good thing by scaring the hell out of their complacency! Rightly so. For that reason alone I personally feel thankful for UK Independent Party for rattling the cushioned against reality cages of the two major parties. Long overdue.

We're still doomed though ...

[Punx0r]

Unfortunately, to a large extent we get the government were deserve. We demand lower taxes while insisting on more public services, more infrastructure, more for the needy, the latest medical care and then insist we should retire at 60 to a comfortable state pension. We all want something for nothing, and then choose to believe it the confidence man who claims he can deliver it.

We encourage partisan, short-term politics by consuming sensationalist stories in the gutter press. By insisting on instant results and changing support at each election for whoever is offered the best bribe of cheaper fags or a hanged banker tomorrow.

Most of us are guilty of other-thinking the economy and deceiving ourselves that money can be made to appear by magic. In reality governments don't have any money - they simply spend the taxpayer's money. When we say "the government should be paying for that", well that means one thing... The finances of a country are surprisingly similar to those of a household.

Is there room in the system for greater fairness and less wastage? Yes, certainly.

[wayno]

What part of the original pic has anything to do with bmw? Your about 14 years out of date if u think its owned or was owned by bmw?

[maestrovdpt16]

The big con of this tory government is to have been able to blame the worldwide currency collapse onto the Labour government! What makes me suspicious is that Labour didn't even deny it, instead they have conveniently become the scapegoat for the banking community who truly made the mess we were in back in 2008-10 This is odd beyond my understanding. When you have Mervin King saying that labour weren't to blame, but then they don't defend themselves?? Mervin King was (is) an ex chief of the bank of England who is one of the most respected economists of our time, Something doesn't add up there.

Yes we can say that Labour have a trend of being the ones to overspend so the economy ends up in a state, then the tories come back in and solve the problems.

What has happened within this government with their chief concerns of cutting the deficit is that we have all felt the strain as many jobs are cut, people on reduced hours, zero hour contracts, all are common still today.

What makes me sick though is knowing that the top 1% club is becoming more exclusive, in the previous year they made a whopping 13% on their share of the worlds wealth. Now 1% own 48% of the worlds economy, with that growth in mind they will own 100% of the worlds wealth by 2050!

The uk has shown a surprising growth in the disparity of rich and poor over the last few years.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... sse-report

Expect much more of this if the tories return. They look after the economy, but not for the people, for themselves and people like them. Labour look out for the people which isn't cheap. Hence the pattern.

[MGJohn]

Just to enlighten on the subject, I came across this the other week on the internet



I didn't register to vote, my job is political enough as it is.

Better things to be doing at my age. Maybe when I'm older like yourself John I will have more experience on this subject.

MY dear old Dad told me when I was very young, you cannot put a wise head on young shoulders but you can teach an old dog new tricks. This old dawg is here as proof of that...

I think Dad was partly wrong about wise head on young shoulders. My two sons are proof of that. They are light years ahead of me when I was their age. Still have much to learn though.

You should exercise your right to vote though James. Please do so next time. I believe it's too late to register now.

I drive a MG ZS 120 bought new in 2003. Not Purple but Trophy Blue. Bluddy fine car too. So Nigel has one on the UK Independence Party's fleet ... a true man of class in my books.. One of my son's cars is a purple Rover 214 ...

The MG ZEDS appeared long after BMW asset stripped the previously asset rich former Rover Group and ran. My MG ZT refused to start a year ago. Apparently, this happens when the in-tank Fuel Filter loosens its seals and fuel pressure to the injectors is lost... no fuel pressure thus no start.

I fixed it ~ bit of a job with a full tank of fuel... Common problem. There's a big manufacturer's logo on the cap top of that pesky In-Tank Fuel Filter. Give you three guesses what it is ... although only one will do ...

[MGJohn]

The big con of this tory government is to have been able to blame the worldwide currency collapse onto the Labour government! What makes me suspicious is that Labour didn't even deny it, instead they have conveniently become the scapegoat for the banking community who truly made the mess we were in back in 2008-10 This is odd beyond my understanding. When you have Mervin King saying that labour weren't to blame, but then they don't defend themselves?? Mervin King was (is) an ex chief of the bank of England who is one of the most respected economists of our time, Something doesn't add up there.

Yes we can say that Labour have a trend of being the ones to overspend so the economy ends up in a state, then the tories come back in and solve the problems.

What has happened within this government with their chief concerns of cutting the deficit is that we have all felt the strain as many jobs are cut, people on reduced hours, zero hour contracts, all are common still today.

What makes me sick though is knowing that the top 1% club is becoming more exclusive, in the previous year they made a whopping 13% on their share of the worlds wealth. Now 1% own 48% of the worlds economy, with that growth in mind they will own 100% of the worlds wealth by 2050!

The uk has shown a surprising growth in the disparity of rich and poor over the last few years.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... sse-report

Expect much more of this if the tories return. They look after the economy, but not for the people, for themselves and people like them. Labour look out for the people which isn't cheap. Hence the pattern.

Labour played their part with the banking fiasco. Those queues of folks withdrawing their savings is still a vivid memory. Obviously its more complex than that but, they played their part. Not to forget massive amounts of Taxpayers' money to bail them all out! No such thing as Government money.

Tories look after their BIG business paymasters in the same way that Labour look after their Union fund providers.

Labour certainly looked after the 6,000 employees of MG Rover ten years ago. By turning their backs on them. By that time MG-Rover was a PRIVATE company. Figures. That in addition to torpedoing the ongoing talks with a possible partner in the far East!

I have often voted Labour in the past and was pleased to do so. Last time I did so was to see tony Blair in No.10 in 1997. Soon after that, Labour withdrew the rolling twenty five year VED ( Vehicle Excise Duty ~ bullshine speak for TAX ) exemption for vehicles reaching a quarter century. I suspect the mindset was if folks have "classic" vehicles they must be valuable so are millyonaires so tax them silly. Then again they set in train the stupidity of basing VED on emissions.. So if you dear Labour voter worker on low income can only afford an old car ... ching ching ... BIG VED on those old cars plus not forgetting the scrappage scheme where numerous fine old cars were prematurely removed from the roads and destroyed. Many folks really thought they were getting a bargain with £2k allowed against a new car under that wasteful scheme. I saw pictures of many fine cars scrapped prematurely under that scheme. Very wasteful. Had those folks sold their nice old cars privately for even much less than £2000, they would then be in a position to buy a new car and by shopping around wisely, got a lot more that £2k discount and so win BIG on both swings and roundabouts. I was saddened to see so many fall for that scrappage scheme and waste nice cars and pay more than they should have done in so doing anyway... .

The most annoying part of Labour's ways in the past two decades has been the rising abuse of the Welfare State to support folks who are shameless in so many ways. A life style career choice including serial breeders supported at huge taxpayers expense, some with over twenty children ... That above all means I for one will be changing the voting habits of a lifetime. I cannot see me ever voting Labour again.

I now realise what a mug I have been most of my life. I could only afford two children and retired aged 68! I could have saved a fortune on contraceptives, become a serial breeder. More kids the more benefit... I could have retired by thirty, put my feet up and took full advantage of our fertility to excess. What a mug I've been...

Trouble is, I'm assured that by Voting UKIP, that will ensure that the Two Eds ( are not better than one ... ) will occupy Nos 10 and 11 shortly after May 7th.

It's all gorn nuts ... Doomed if we do, doomed if we don't! That's well doomed ... ...

Oh dear .. I feel much better now .... NOT!

....

Only joking ... or, am I.

[Punx0r]

The big con of this tory government is to have been able to blame the worldwide currency collapse onto the Labour government! What makes me suspicious is that Labour didn't even deny it,

They certainly weren't responsible for what you rightly call a global event, but they did know it was going to happen 6 months before it did and covered it up. Preparations could have been made but instead they just debated holding a snap election to try and get another term in government before the logger hit the fan. I suspect that might be why they're now avoiding playing the blame-game.

They also deregulated the banks which worsened the disaster, although to be fair the Tories would have done the same and banking regulation/deregulation has followed a cycle for ~100 years.

What makes me sick though is knowing that the top 1% club is becoming more exclusive, in the previous year they made a whopping 13% on their share of the worlds wealth. Now 1% own 48% of the worlds economy, with that growth in mind they will own 100% of the worlds wealth by 2050!

Certainly. I feel like I'll sound like a socialist or something, but a redistribution of wealth has become due. The "idea" behind quantitative easing and bank bailouts was supposedly that money injected at the top will trickle down through the whole economy and reach everyone. Surprisingly, this didn't work - the money was hoarded by those at the top. How strange. As the saying goes "you don't get rich by spending money".

Labour look out for the people which isn't cheap. Hence the pattern.

This is really an extension of the previous point and related to my previous, bemoaning post. If I believed this was true I'd absolutely vote Labour. Let's be realistic, this isn't 1970 and the Labour cabinet isn't composed of former miners and shipyard workers.

I was tempted the other week after reading a list of the latest Labour pledges. They all sounded like good ideas, but they're hadn't even pretended they had any idea how they'd be funded. I think "plant another money tree" about sums up their financial proposals.

It's interesting how these things cycle around. I was reading a book last night from the late nineties that included a section on the history of taxation (methods and effectiveness). It mentioned that top-rate income tax had steadily increased since the WW1 and only reduced in the 80's thanks to Thatcher. Helping out the Toffs and business cronies no doubt! Interestingly, the effect was to significantly increase the amount of income tax paid by the wealthiest 1% (from 7 to 13% of total income tax paid, IIRC).

[peteT16]

Ed Balls is the Labour financial wizard supposedly, he was credited with being the genius behind George Browns policies, and we all know how that ended.

Thatcher tried the policy of "trickle down" wealth in the 80s, oddly enough it didn't work then either, the rich sat on their money and the rest of us didn't really benefit very much

[Smilerbaker]

hmmm I think you'd need to look a bit harder, it did trickle down! think back, at least where I grew up, in the 70's it wasn't the norm to own a house, or a car, only 1 tv (f you where lucky), no holidays abroad (only 1 person in my primary school had ever been on a plane) etc etc etc

Now visit your normal primary school, most will be in there own house, will have multiple cars, will have been abroad etc

wtf do people want?? everyone driving around in lambo's and living in mansions ???

I believe the main issue with politics now is all we have is career politicians, none of them have done a days work in there lives, there was a time the ministers would have had experience in there field, nothing like asking an ex army guy if we have the capacity to goto war.

If anyone needs an example of how bad career politicians are, look no further then gordon brown, his only 'job' being a lecturer in politics ffs so they put him in charge of the countries finances ffs don't ask where the cash is coming from as long as it keeps coming in, hey guys, I'm about to sell all our gold, and his (how the feck did he get away with this) pension grab

[MGJohn]

This run-up to the election. I find it all very interesting and at the same time, very depressing lately. I've long since come to the conclusion that many of my fellow country men and women are poor judges or at best, very forgetful when it comes to voting.

I was pleased to vote for Tony Blair back in 1997. Yet few folks have a good word to say about him and his replacement Brown now. I have good reason to thank Tony Blair and his team for the way they streamlined some of the NHS processes which had stagnated under all those years of Thatcher and her successor. Mind you, I was impressed by Gordon Brown's speeches last September in the Scots vote IN-OUT of the United Kingdom.

Yes, Brown sold off the Nation's Gold at a huge discount which did not benefit anyone except those who bought the stuff. What a MUG! Little old me could have negotiated a far better deal. In fact most folks would have done!

There again, Thatcher and her team of worst forms of Tories sold off much of the Nation's Family Silver spiv-like at a hugely undervalued prices. Even a previous Conservative Prime Minister warned her about doing that. Know-all Thatcher did not heed that advice. More's the pity as boy oh boy are we as a Nation paying for that now. Most annoyingly, much of our energy producing utilities were sold off dirt cheap too. Many largely in Foreign ownership and control. That is a good thing for the longer term well being of this Nation. OK I jest is most certainly is NOT!

Spiv-like, Thatcher used one of her Lords to negotiate an under the counter ( covert ) deal to sell asset rich Austin-Rover Group to FOMOCO for a paltry £39m ...Yes, thirty-nine million... Yes, Lord Young soon had to stop all that when that news hit the fan. One of the few occasions in recent years when I have been proud of my fellow country men and women who vociferously showed their disapproval and put the kybosh on that stupid deal. Keep in mind that £39m.

Mind you she and the Torys got her way in the end by 1994 when they sold the massively asset rich then Rover Group to the Germans for £880m... The German owners later sold just the Land Rover and Jaguar assets to Ford for £1.8b. An immediate Billion quid profit! Mugs mugs mugs ... No wonder the Germans call us the English Patient! The remaining assets of the Rover Group were used to produce the MINI ( Bini ) and by clever accounting, the cost of that car's R&D costs looked bad on Rover's books. Then when the Rover 75 was launched ~ apparently the first Rover car produced without any Governmental stranglehold fiscal grip around Rover's neck and it shows it ~ only to bad mouth and torpedo the car at its launch... Soon after that, BMW collected the assets they wanted to retain and cut the slender remnants of the once asset rich Rover Group adrift ... for that legendary tenner!

We're a Nation of mugs and being a member of that wonderful organ known as the EU is costing us £60m ... a day ... and set to rise ...

Some would have you believe that we cannot survive outside the EU. If that is the case and we are not good enough to do that, then we do not deserve to survive.

Desperate Dave C is hog-tied as was clearly demonstrated when he last tangled with Brussels. That will be a further £1.7t dave... Chiung-chiung. The benefit of being one of the few successful Nations in the EU... pay-up.

Watched a Political discussion on the media earlier today. Tory spokesman explained that UK car production provides the largest of any European Nation !!! You couldn't make it up. Who the hell does he think he is kidding including himself. UK car production is a mere fifth that of one Nation alone ... Germany! Germany has a healthy indigenous car manufacturing base unlike ours which is largely foreign owned or controlled. Several of which have warned years ago that when it suits they will be gone! It's a matter of time so my stance is go the sooner the better. Let this nation produce our own good manufactured stuff. Give UK based and owned manufacturing companies access to massive greenfield sites and equally huge financial inducements to set up as they did to those foreign car firms here ... Fat chance.

There again. Maybe we as a Nation really are collectively no longer up for it. I don't think that's true but the ongoing widespread wholesale asset stripping of once great companies performed by countless "take the money and run" asset strippers has to be stopped before it's all far too late. Sadly it may already be that.

No Government can sort this lot out. Only the people can do that. If they're good enough and have the inclination. That's the rub.

All things considered, no matter who I vote for, left. rright or centre, I'm convinced it will be wasted. So may as well waste it on Mr. Farage's organisation... UKIP. Some of his Policies regarding our membership of the EU I'm in full agreement with.

There's only so much UK financial blood available for the EU to suck out of us before we are bled dry!.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it ...

[stefaclese]

Look harder? I didn't realise all the ex-mining areas in Wales and the North are wealthy places. Perhaps I should invest in some property in Merthyr Tydfil then...

The comments about the increase in the personal allowance are irrelevant as VAT was jacked up to 20%, inflation was high and there was no real salary growth (not for normal people anyway). Classic giving with one hand and taking with the other.

I agree about the comments on career politicians to some extent, though what we have aren't what I would call professional politicians, more a combination of hereditary politicians, lawyers and morons with politics and history degrees that went to the right schools. You do still get MPs that actually had a trade prior to politics (I mean outside the city), but generally they don't get in to cabinet.

First Past The Post will ensure that any supposed gains smaller parties are making won't equate in to results in Westminster, remember the Lib Dems were supposed to have overtaken Labour in the number of votes and seats last time and they actually ended up losing 4 or 5 seats. My prediction is that it'll probably be about the same as the last time, except the SNP will have almost all the Scottish seats, the Lib Dems will (hopefully) be wiped out and UKIP might get a handful of seats. No overall majority for the Tories or Labour. If election history is anything to go by then the Tories will lose seats - every single government since 1945 or even before then has won fewer seats at each subsequent election until they get voted out of office.

[maestrovdpt16]

The idea that trickle down economics actually works is laughable. Top 1% having 48%?? Trickle down? Flood up is more like it.

[Evil C]

I strongly suspect the rise of UKIP is all media driven by Super scumbag Murdoch to appeal to disaffected Labour voters. Divide and rule etc. Then the tories stand a better chance of getting re elected.

I rather suspect it is more to do with the degree of unease and disquiet felt by a significant number of voters over the future direction of development of the EU, the relationship that the UK has/will have with the EU in the future, and the (rightly or wrongly) widely held perception that much of the EU influence over the UK has been detrimental to many ordinary people, and that our currrent political leaders are pulling the wool over our eyes and leading further down a path to the extinguishment of our national identity.

Until one or all of the main parties face up to those fears, and address them head-on (instead of constantly sidestepping the issue of 'Europe', or sweeping it under the carpet), UKIP will continue to attract significant support from those voters who feel disenfranchised by the refusal of Conservative, Liberal-Democrat and Labour parties to open up to realistic debate about the EU and the future for the UK within it (or outside it).

A measure of the fear within the main parties about having to openly talk about the UK/EU issue is evidenced in their constant attempts to smear UKIP by trying to portray them as cranks, imbeciles, and "swivel-eyed loons" and using language including words like racist and bigotry. Unfortunately, there are sufficient people who have got into UKIP who are racist bigots, cranks and swivel-eyed loons that it is easy to tar the whole party with the same brush.

Interestingly, one could use the same type of logic to portray the Labour Party as a gang of criminal fraudsters and the Conservatives and Lib-Dems as paedophiles and perjurors

[MGJohn]

Some very thought provoking posts here. Thanks to all. Nice to know there are some who see many things as I do.

[Marty]

Not sure this is off topic but with the recent earthquake yes sadly people lost there lives but we ment to have this defacit they keep banging on about so how come we was the first country to offer aid ect which costs us yet we ment to be in debt how's that work. Some may think that is harsh but there is far better of countries that could of gone to the rescue.

Funny I just noticed this post had a knock on the door tonight for someone canvassing for the torys. He got a hello can I help to which he started to speel of his well rehearsed speech I said I'll stop you there but I'm really not interested I shall not bother voting and they are all as corrupt and underhanded as the next.

I have never voted and will never bother all the promises they make reminds me of the big juicy worm add it's all done to get a vote and they just do the opposite.

If I was to vote I would not go with trivial things like tobacco, alcohol duty ect.

I would however listen if they was to actually get those who choose not to work and sponge on the dole I know several people who have never done a days work in there life and that really gets my back up and they know it.

The country is in a crap state and the word "racist" is to easily used nowerdays I've seen it used in this thread and the minute the race card is played everyone shits them selves every man in this country is freely entitled to and opinion I'm not a racist but I'm also not blind as to what is going on I shall leave it there or ill have the "racist" card pointed at me.

[maestrovdpt16]

This country is well off and made its riches off the back of the rest of the world. It is right and just we give back. Look at the richness of resources in the poorest countries and then look at how resource poor the whole of europe is.

It doesn't take a genius. The same can be said for the eastern block of europe. After the war they were literally handed back to the Russian state on a plate. Locked into communism and poverty. So we rightly owe them too.

It is unhelpful opinions like yours that aid death and suffering. We are very much all one, what would you think if someone spoke about your children in those terms? You will think and say that is entirely different but we are all HUMAN.

[Marty]

I can see what you are saying but where are the others helping as in all fairness we are a little tin pot country.