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Ok, im just after ideas or input, but basically im thinking that there seems to be very little else out there that has the same performance as a std turbo coupe, thats available for say similar money or slightly more £2000-3000, that has out of the box performance to rival the Rover coupe?

Anyone with idea's or experience of other motors, it must be a coupe style car, and fwd or rwd. I just don't do 4wd! :wink:

The Fiat coupe 16VT/20VT is about the same i suppose, but the 20VT is a bit of a heavy beast compared to the Rover.
The mk2 200SX is almost as quick std, again a bit heavier, but it's the closest rwd contender i can think of?
Lastly i did like Alfa 3.0GTV's, but some say they are'nt as quick as you'd expect them to be, and they are very nose heavy compared even to a tomcat!

Pug 406' coupes seem to slow, and i was fairly suprised that the Calibra 4x4 turbo's are about level pegging in a straightline with the Rover, but they are sadly 4wd so who'd want one?

How well would a mk3 Prelude 2.2VTEC go? they have what 185bhp? I think they would be a disapointment?

I know there's a few older bigger coupes/ japanense supercar's that can out perform the Rover coupe's, but they are all hard to find, drink fuel like crazy and not many of them handle too well either. Besides i'd like to look at more recent mid 90's onwards car's first, as they are old enough now, let alone late 80's- early 90's rare beasts, that you can't find for sale even if you wanted to?
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To be fair the coupe doesnt handle that well at all.

For that money, Supra / FTO, 3.0 GTV etc.

Does it have to be a coupe? You could pick up a nice Clio 192, Volvo T5 anything, 2.8 Audi anything..
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If you want a good looking coupe that goes and handles well take a look at the Corrado VR6. As long as you aren't looking for a showroom example, you can pick up a tidy well maintained example for less than £3k.

Not quite as fast on paper but the Honda Integra Type R (DC2) has just dropped into the £3k

A couple of leftfield options:
Volvo C70 T5 - Quite heavy but very torquey.
Saab 9-3 Viggen 3 door- Not quite a coupe but more exclusive than most.

Personally I would be looking an S14a. The official figures say 197bhp, in reality they are closer to 220bhp out of the box. Plenty of tuning options whether you want it to drift, handle or run a 1/4 mile.
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Stevo135+ wrote:Ok, im just after ideas or input, but basically im thinking that there seems to be very little else out there that has the same performance as a std turbo coupe, thats available for say similar money or slightly more £2000-3000, that has out of the box performance to rival the Rover coupe?

Anyone with idea's or experience of other motors, it must be a coupe style car, and fwd or rwd. I just don't do 4wd! :wink:

The Fiat coupe 16VT/20VT is about the same i suppose, but the 20VT is a bit of a heavy beast compared to the Rover.
The mk2 200SX is almost as quick std, again a bit heavier, but it's the closest rwd contender i can think of?
Lastly i did like Alfa 3.0GTV's, but some say they are'nt as quick as you'd expect them to be, and they are very nose heavy compared even to a tomcat!

Pug 406' coupes seem to slow, and i was fairly suprised that the Calibra 4x4 turbo's are about level pegging in a straightline with the Rover, but they are sadly 4wd so who'd want one?

How well would a mk3 Prelude 2.2VTEC go? they have what 185bhp? I think they would be a disapointment?

I know there's a few older bigger coupes/ japanense supercar's that can out perform the Rover coupe's, but they are all hard to find, drink fuel like crazy and not many of them handle too well either. Besides i'd like to look at more recent mid 90's onwards car's first, as they are old enough now, let alone late 80's- early 90's rare beasts, that you can't find for sale even if you wanted to?
Iv been here before many times and always ended up getting another rover again, there is nothing out there that will do what it does for the same money
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There doesn't seem much that's as cheap to buy/run/maintain and is easy to work on.
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Thanks for the input guys!

Basically if i end up changing from a 220 turbo coupe, then i wanted to know what other manufacturer's coupes are out there that have very comparable std performance and or bhp/ton etc.

Yes it has to be a coupe, they often look a bit more special than boring hatch's and TBH if i were going to buy a hatch, then i might as well make it an every day daily driver, so a little Polo TDi or a 3cyl city hatch would be the way to go. Having a coupe to my mind is a way of justifying two car's, a hatchback should be practical, and might as well be cheap to run, so there won't be any talk of Focus ST's etc! :lol:

Also looks and performance are my 2big things, handling doesn't matter as much, because lets face it you can make anything handle loads better than stock if you fully polybush it, fit decent coilover's, strutbraces and have the suspension geometry set up and made more adjustable if required.

So a Rover turbo coupe will never handle like a ZS or Integra type R, but do all the above and it's more than good enough in my opinion.

The FTO GPX and ITR seem to have almost identical accelerative performance to a std coupe turbo, and im only really looking at 0-60 and 0-100mph times, so i'll bear these two car's in mind. I want the performance to be up there with a std coupe turbo, as i know you can modify and tune anything, and that some car's/engines that don't compare to the Rover coupe can be massively tuned easily/safely past what a T16 can be, but thats not the point.

i've learn't from life so far that if you buy a car/bike that's fast enough to start with and then you mod or tune it further, that you can never be dissapointed, unlike trying to make something thats slow go much faster. So anything that's in the 6-6.5sec 0-60mph and 15-16sec 0-100mph area is fine.

Im not sure a std Corrado VR6 is fast enough? And they arn't really my cup of tea looks wise either? I would look at the Saab maybe and i know the 200SX is the logical choice, and indeed what a few ex Rover turbo owner's have moved on to next.

I don't do 4wd as i don't like my power being wasted, and tbh i don't need 4wd traction. I drove an Impreza Sti MY02 and found it very underwhelming too, the nasp version wasn't much worse they are that laggy! :thumbdown:

If i have anything turbo, it either needs a big engine or something that feels responsive and strong in everyday driving. Nothing at all then suddenly everything all at once seems pretty pointless to me, and i'd have more fun with thrashing something like a Honda ITR than a laggy turbo nutter car TBH!
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maybe not got the handling but jaguar xk8! looks the nuts, 4L v8 = 300bhp!

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An Alfa GTV is probably faster than you're giving it credit for. I 'played' with one once in my JDM GT4 (255bhp as standard) and was surprised at how quick the Alfa was in 3rd. 1st and 2nd wasn't that brill, but once he slippped it onto 3rd it started to shift. In comparison I dabbled with a Boxter 'S' once in the same car and was unimpressed with the speed of it. It had lots of noise but didn't seem to have much punch.

Not that you'll ever find a Calibra turbo, but I read once that you can apparently pull a fuse out of the fuse box (or summat) that disables the 4wd system, putting it into front wheel drive. A popular mod that saves the infamously (costly) weak transfer box.
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The integra type r is a great car to start off with , it handles its easy to work on and maintain and being a honda it will take a thrashing and will be reliable as fook.

I also have a 1997 prelude type s (dyno read 124 kw at the front wheels) and that does shift for a heavy car but it feels like a heavy car especially for city driving/slow turning , my coupe feels soooo much more agile
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I havn't seen a Jag XK for £3k anywhere as of yet?

The Alfa could well be fast, i've only driven the 2litre version, which was ok, but i have heard as many negatives about the V6 versions as there are positives.

Didn't know about the Calibra's having switchable 4wd almost. I'd get one if i saw a clean one just to save it from being another Corsa B doner i reckon. I think there are less than 80 Calibra 4x4 turbo's left on u.k roads. That's like nearly two thirds less than Rover turbo coupe's left isnt it?
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This is the route im hoping to go down, I want to get rid of the coupe in the summer and get a honda integra type R trouble is that finding a decent one for less than £3500-4000 is difficult. I would agree the coupe is very good power for the pounds to buy one and look after it.
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Nothing wrong with 4wd. I spent a few months driving my brother's Evo 6 TME.

Was a laugh close on 400BHP, sub 4secs to 60MPH and truly epic cornering abilities. It had Anti-lag and the full pop bang rally thing.

Frightened young children and grown men all the same and Spat 2/3 foot flames out the back!!

I loved it. Plus you could sneak to the front of ANY queue and be confident on getting away first.

Don't knock it unless you have had a good amount of time behind a decent 4wd car.

Also it cost him 16K and he sold it for 13K sometime ago.

Back on topic though can't beat a 200sx S14 for the cash I'm afraid.
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Also, if you are OK with having a chest wig and a big gold medallion and drive with one arm dangling out of the window (usually tanned right arm is the giveaway) think Mk3 supra or Lexus soarer

Both quick cars but a bit brash!

Also you know the answers to these questions stevo - you know all the details about the other cars surely??
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i like the XK, it's a nice looking car, will be too pricey too run and modify i think, and the R is the one id always want tbh! i think 2come away from rover coupe's theres only 2cars mentioned here i could go for. one is the logical rwd rival, and the other is another much bigger rwd old beast of a coupe, very dated&rare but cheap. I want 2say id love a Honda ITR or FTO gpx manual, but i reckon id struggle 2find the best examples for my budget&both won't be cheap 2mod parts prices wise.
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Stevo135+ wrote:i like the XK, it's a nice looking car, will be too pricey too run and modify
i didnt think you wanted to mod it. its 289bhp rwd. but yes will be pricey to run at 20mpg.
that said my zs was averaging 28mpg for the same journey!

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A tweaked mk1 XKR is probably a bit of a dream car really. Great style, they do go and handle ok, and there are quite a few subtle mods you can do that some of the Jag specialists offer. The mk2 XKR's like Jonny5's are for my lotto winning dreams too!

I reckon if i drove a nice Honda DC2 integra or a Mitsu FTO GPX i'd love it, but you want about £4500-5000 to get a really nice mint one, that doesn't have evidence of being thrashed and track day'd half to death, or worse had nasty tat mods applied and been stickered up like a Fast&furious prop etc.

Rover turbo coupe's, and the Nissan 200SX seem to be the best value quick coupes out there for my budget then. My wild card but soo cool to me at least would be an Mk3 Supra. It would have to be mint tho, and thats very very unlikely that one would crop up anytime soon, being worth very little and not very fashionable now either. I was told about the uber rare 1JZ GTE twin turbo version that was a Jap domestic model only, and OMG do those things sound good! For a straight 6 turbo the sound is just terrific!
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Stevo135+ wrote:How well would a mk3 Prelude 2.2VTEC go? they have what 185bhp? I think they would be a disapointment?
Obviously nowhere near the power of the T16, but I've always fancied one - almost a 600 coupe really - most parts are similar too. With some work I should imagine it is possible to get them to handle very well indeed.

I really can't find any alternatives that really spark my interest, had this a couple of years back when I contemplated a change of scene but found I kept coming back to rover.
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Berger wrote:Astra Coupe Turbo?
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I know 4wd, but Toyota did a special edition Celica Carlos Saints 2.0 turbo. Was quick as a passenger many years back.
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Peugeot 406v6 coupe? And on the plus side when it eventually dies you can get the brembos off it as well.
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Thanks for all the suggestions! I found a road test for the mk3 Prelude 2.2VTi, and it did 0-60mph in 6.6sec and could just top 140mph. Quicker than i thought, especially when you realise that they are 1300kg compared to the 1180kg for a Rover coupe turbo. Im sure theres some kit available to make them handle, and i know that if you wanted to spend the money to properly equipt a H22 engine for boost, then they can produce silly numbers for the boost level and be complete monsters! All a bit involved when there are 2.5L+ nasp coupes and factory turbo cars out there though i would say!

The Astra coupe turbo really would'nt appeal, if it aint a Calibra turbo, then i wouldn't have a Vauxhall period, they don't excite at all!

The mk5 Celica is the best looking version ever, and i've always like the GT4's, but they were never supposed to be much quicker than the 158bhp nasp ones, due to having loads of extra weight from the 4x4 drivetrain etc. It's one of the things that puts me off 4wd. I think a Celica mk5 with a fwd 3SGTE conversion could be every bit as good as a Rover or Fiat coupe turbo at least, but nobody seems to do this with them and i wonder if there's a specific reason?

I don't think the 406 Coupe is as quick as even the Prelude, and they arn't supposed to handle that well, being more of a cruiser than a sports coupe IMO. I've never driven one though so can't talk from experience. (Already got the Brembo's too!)

Lastly i've always quite liked the Mazda MX6, as it's like a pretty sister of the Ford probe, and they sound nice like a KV6, and Mazda's K-series 6pot is supposed to be one of the best and strongest 6pot V6's out there too! The Japs got a 200bhp KLZE version which is every bit as quick as the Fiat or Rover turbo's and power/weight is similar. I'd quite like one, but not sure if it would be hard to get bits for, and Mazda spares prices are supposed to be a good joke too!

I'll keep everything in mind, but logic says Rover coupe or 200SX and i'll keep my eyes open in case a big powerful Supra pops up in the sort of condition id like, but im not expecting to see one! It looks like 300ZX's and GTO's can be had in nice condition for £3000 ish, but i just have a feeling that being complex and old that either could throw a hugely expensive hard to fix/work on wobbly very easily, and are thus sensible to ignore!
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harkins77 wrote:Peugeot 406v6 coupe? And on the plus side when it eventually dies you can get the brembos off it as well.
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Having had a 406 V6 coupe for 3 years i can give a qualified opinion - it looks great, sounds great, is fantastic to drive and hasnt missed a beat in 3 years, but its not in the same league as the Rover performance wise. 210bhp vs 200(ish) but the pug is carrying an extra 200kg.

But in saying that, unless you beast it around everywhere 15mpg is pessimistic :lol: Ours averages nearer 30 mostly on local trips and sits at 36-38 on the motorway. All in all consumption is about the same as the Rover.

Surpised no-one has suggested the MR2 turbo? A mate had a rev1, 220bhp stock and felt at least as quick as my coupe.
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Mainly I beasted it around

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Mitsi FTO GPX?
No comparison, sorry. Brother used to have one - great noise, but not as fast as you would hope due to the abysmal tiptronic 4-speed gearbox.

Good press at the moment for the Mazda MP3 thingy - although appreciate it's a hatch, 260ish brake for ~£3k...

I would also be looking at Rover v8-engined sports cars - RWD and better performance than the T16's in most cases, and loads of them for around £3k. Simple to work on, and soft tops a-plenty too if you like the open-top thing (you do have a coupe after all?)...

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Cheers Dom. Thanks for your input too!
Im sure it's well known that i can be slightly fussy or a bit specific with looking for my car's, but yeah i found a Rover coupe i liked enough to buy a while back, so there are cars out there that id be well happy with. Hope im not being too awkward, but yes id like a coupe so i could at a push seat 4people from time to time, so any strict 2seater is a no no, and i've had a soft top MGTF, and don't really want another convertible after that, and also having no roof means poor body control and handling on lots of cars IMO.

The FTO would have to be a rare manual version, as they do then go quite well! Mark coupe had a mint black one ages ago, and he did a few in car vids with it. It really shifted and the sound of an 8000rpm V6 is quite awesome and sexual!

I do love the Rover V8 engine, and if i could have it in a nice looking coupe shape car then it would be a fantastic car to own. It's a shame that they don't do more 4seater coupe style kit cars that could accept a V8, as id love to do a kit car project and a mate is building up a Cobra at the moment.

The only Kit car i've ever seen that i think is truely beautiful and would be awesome to have is the Phantom Vortex. It can use Rover 800 parts and the Honda C27 engine which is a major plus point, the downside is that it's a really really expensive kit to buy and build. I've not seen a nice proper coupe shaped Kit car before or since though!
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Spot the vitesse sport wheels :D

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fiat coupe 20valve turbo????
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How about a tomcat? :whistle:
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