Engines : 2.5 KV6 v T16 Turbo

[Grant620]

There is lots of potential in the KV6. Running NASP may i remind you, over 300bhp has been achieved. 10k rev limit in the 2.0k.

Sort the cooling out on the KV6 and it would be ok to turbo it.

That was on a Touring car though

[Ultimate Racer]

Well yes, but i wasnt thinking about the touring cars when i wrote that. The engine i am on about is the QED hill climb engine.

the kv6 can also be taken to around 240bhp easilly. I will be looking to achieve 240bhp with my KV6 built by your bestest buddies over at *tut tut*!
Of course then ill be adding dp nos with a progressive controller to get 300bhp. This is also still remaining nasp btw.

[Stevo135+]

Yes i know that a certain tuner has proved that the KV6 internals can happily survive over 300bhp (2.5KV6). The engine should be happy in 2.5L form to 7500ish rpm, and i too think 250bhp Nasp aint going to be that hard to achieve, just expensive thats all! The Forced induction option with the supercharger can probably make 260bhp, but i understand there's problems with heat build up with the SC route.

The T16 turbo needs forged pistons to make a reliable lasting 250bhp, and i know comparing a nasp engine to a turbo is not really fair, but in this respect you could say that on std internals the KV6 is capable of just as much power as a T-series.

The one thing that you can't say the T-series is particually good at doing is making big power as a nasp engine. I suppose this is irrelavent with there always being a turbo option, but the nasp unit would never be able to compete with many nasp 2litres, new and oldish, ranging from the old Vauxhall XE, to the Renault 2.0 used in the Clio, or the K20 Honda CTR engine.

[tf_boy]

the kv6 is a beast of a engine, 260 is achevable but not on the standerd ecu defo need aftermarket, its my next route on my car, it made 205 at the wheels at 3/4 psi (was fluxuating)

on order and will be in in the next month or 2

forged pistons,
aftermarket managment
a smaller charger wheel for hopefully 10psi

bring it on

[Ultimate Racer]

Also yesterday Georges ZT-T made 209bhp at the wheels. Super charger, standard internals, air filter and exhuast.

[king of mods]

the big question is, when will you ever see your ZS from that place Phil? Its had more finish dates than the new wembley stadium

[MarkCoupe]

Whats being done to it Phil? Is that (in your sig) 300bhp with Nitrous or without cheating

[Ultimate Racer]

lol if you mean cheating like forcing more air into a car than it should have... then yes i am cheating by forcing a richer mix of air into the car than it should have!!!!

[MarkCoupe]

lol if you mean cheating like forcing more air into a car than it should have... then yes i am cheating by forcing a richer mix of air into the car than it should have!!!!

hehe

Haaaaa much Nos you runnin' bruv?

[Ultimate Racer]

will end up runnin a 75shot. direct port, progressive controlled.

[Steve220]

lol if you mean cheating like forcing more air into a car than it should have... then yes i am cheating by forcing a richer mix of air into the car than it should have!!!!

now you're just pickin at straws, Plipstick

[Ultimate Racer]

muppet

[maher216]

Id have to say a T16 turbo
Ive found the KV6 is not that smooth low down and what a **** changing the plugs on them

[rich820coupe]

so come on then peeps what are peoples opinions now then alot more people have bought zs's and gone from t16's to kv6's

I have owned 3 t16 turbos up to now and loved every one of them all 3 have had t28s fitted ect but as a engine the t16 just edges it over the kv6 imho as it just seems to pull that bit harder, but the problem comes with the cars the engines are in the kv6 in the zs although down on power with a standard t16 turbo car actualy feels faster as its a much more ballanced car, up to now Ive only chucked a filter on mine and it was chipped when I bought it and she made 193bhp but that feels alot quicker when driven compared to say 220ish in my previous turbos as I can drive the car on power for longer due to its set up.

so to cut a long story short the t16 in standard form is a better engine than the kv6 by a very small margin but theres alot more to it than just the engine.

[kamal]

t16, because i have one.

[TomcatDan]

Thread resurrection, but as previously stated - T16 is better for outright power, but the whole ZS package works so much better.

I've had a 220, 420, 620, and 820 Turbo, and none of them have anywhere near the agility of the ZS, and they definately don't inspire confidence in the cars abilities like the ZS does. The brakes work, the suspension works, everything just works. Indeed if you quantify the whole package, the ZS and thus the KV6 wins hands down. If you're looking at it as potential, then the T16 wins hands down. It's all a matter of perspective.

So I guess, long story short, T16 is best but only if it's fitted in a ZS ;)

Until then, I'm a convert to the KV6 ways :p

[98Ti]

Lol, longest running thread ever? Funny how things have changed over the years:

..... i guess it is more economical as well with fuel prices at 91p a litre!
Lee

and lol

In the last year T16 have been running away in terms of power output.

We're seeing alot of T16's with near on 300bhp now.

Anyway, to 2011

Thread resurrection, but as previously stated - T16 is better for outright power, but the whole ZS package works so much better.

So I guess, long story short, T16 is best but only if it's fitted in a ZS

Until then, I'm a convert to the KV6 ways :p

Big question in my head is... Would you pull out a ZS kv6 in favor of a nicely tuned T16? I've been wanting a zs for the handling and looks for a while but I'd like a top spec mk2 180 with the kit and sexual seats and I wonder if I'd be wrecking it by putting in a forged T16.

Matt

[618ireland]

Over 7 years on and the KV6 is not really loved at all on RoverTech.

[MGTurbo]

KV6 is a sweet engine but for cheap easy mods its never been and never will be as easy to get a lot more power from it in comparison to the T16T.

The ZS180 overall as a whole package is an excellent car and the engine makes it, i wouldnt get one then put a 4 pot in it, even if it had 300bhp.

[thamestyres]

i have to agree with mgturbo if you want the whole package then the zs is it, if you want out and out power then the t16 has the potential, when i bought the sterling i wanted the reliability of a nasp not the power of a turbo i have the maestro for that, the sterling will cruise at 100mph all day and still give 25 to the gallon, a vitesse at the same speeds 20 or less, however i could not catch a vitesse in a race, when i had my 827 with a modded exhaust i could outrun a vitesse running 13psi boost, off the line right through to top end, the revs and smoothness of the v6 can do its job very well. if the tuning potential of the kv6 could get off the ground then the extra cylinders could be beneficial but it won't be cheap, because even now it would still be a one off. as for a favorite it would depend on what i wanted from the engine... regards ricky

[greenfli]

[quote="Lee Lord"]T16 gets my vote. It has been very strong and reliable in my Vitesse. i guess it is more economical as well with fuel prices at 91p a litre!

Lee[/quote]

lol if only we could go back to 91p per litre, i know this is old thread but T16 all day long, im a huge v6 fan but it has to be twin turbo like will gollops 6r4, that car had the best engine note on the planet.

wayne

[carmadbaker]

I own a mk2 ZS 180 and a mk1 t16 ZS.... for refined driving with a bit of poke... The KV6 is brillant, allbeit thirsty! For balls out knob in hand fun... The t16 is superior! Primative and generally a pain in the bum but still love it. However..... (heres one to kick up the dust!) no t16 will EVER sound as awesome as a kv6 on a straight through 4" exit piper exhaust, my t16 does sound lovely, but the kv6 is just jizz worthy!

[bambi]

The ZS180 is such a balanced car. After years of 4wd madness I thought the MG would be a come down, but in the handling stakes it's excellent. Sure I miss the power sometimes... but the V6 noise is great.

Never driven a T16 but I'll take the V6 on noise alone.

[mr shifter]

i have ownd both kv and t series cars, and the t16 is the one for me.

[harland292]

T16 all the way, Just love the turbo spool dump valve pull they give :) smile everytime :)

[rzrdan]

T16 anyday although I love the sounds of the KV6 just find the T16 is more tuneable, reliable and more economical

[Sneekyparrot]

I would take the supercharged kv6 with full intake / exhaust for the sheer noise any day although I love the much more aggressive delivery of a turbo motor. Swings and roundabouts really :-))

[VVC MINI]

Stock for stock KV6. Easy win!