civic 1.8vti vtec 5door hatch?

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:14 pm

theres a guy u wants to race me in 1 of these (even though i said im not racing on the road)
he says his is 180bhp and has had 'hardly anything' done to it.
am i right in saying that these are 167bhp in standard form?

anyway, i even told him that with a few more mods mine will be pushing out arround 300bhp but he really isn't having any of it.

as we know, from jonny's video's, the vtec's are quick... but what do you reckon?

ADSVVCCOUPE · Post by **ADSVVCCOUPE** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:18 pm

i thought that the 1.8vti civic was 179ps

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:19 pm

it might be, im just going by what i found on a website.

i think its about a T or S reg

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:26 pm

I was led to believe the VTi Civics were 160ish brake - thought only the Integra Type R engine was more - could be wrong.

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:32 pm

thats what i though bjorn.

but anyway... what do you reckon? would he have me?

lee2003 · Post by **lee2003** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:35 pm

there is a way to sort if hes that full of it just say to youll be up for it but put log books on the table and who ever wins ie you :wink:

take his car and pull it apart in front of him seen this done on a rs turbo sooo funny watching the youngster almost crying

and yes i know im going to hell for laughing :twisted:

Sheaf · Post by **Sheaf** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:43 pm

The 1.8 VTi is 167bhp
Peak torque something like 122lb ft I think.

0-60 in around 8 seconds
Top end 139ish
Apparently they weigh 1300kg :shock:

Insurance group 15

Not a match for a rover turbo in standard form I wouldn't have thought, but not slow either.

It's the 1.6 vti (3dr) which is 160bhp (B16), with less torque. They are lighter though.

They have the B18C4 engine in them, not the same as the integra type R engine (B18C5), not as revvy apparently, although they do go to over 8000rpm. The tegs are 195bhp I think. The VTi also doesn't have as short gear ratios as a teg.

Personally I like em though, and as soon as I've secured a job I'll be parting with money for one. I dont want to commit to paying Â£1400 + a year for insurance without having a job though.

Alex.

jase · Post by **jase** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:45 pm

Sharky, theres only 1 sure way.....

And its not strictly racing is it? your just 'overtaking' someone, or atleast trying to!

My moneys on you btw.

J

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:47 pm

cheers for that mate.

so how much does my ti weigh? :oops:

he's such a nonse, he said that my engine is too weak for 300bhp and the rover never made a 2.1 (this is after i told him what had been done to mine, but he just doesn't understand) as far as he is concerned, its a rover, so its shite!

keironewoodgate · Post by **keironewoodgate** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:51 pm

[quote="Sheaf"]The 1.8 VTi is 167bhp
Peak torque something like 122lb ft I think.

0-60 in around 8 seconds
Top end 139ish
Apparently they weigh 1300kg :shock:

Insurance group 15
quote]

Thats spot on.

You'll kill him in a race, if i were you i wouldn't waste your petrol on it.

But if you must dont forget to use A "private" test track.

lee2003 · Post by **lee2003** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:55 pm

why not show him the anracing web site and pull all the info from this site to show him how much of a muppet hes being (if hes wearing a baseball cap get him to take it off as this seems to affect the iq in none rover drivers

)

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:05 pm

already shown him the ANR site but i dont think he understands it.
it's pi55ing me off because he thinks that because i wont race him on the road, he thinks im scared that i'll loose.

and he wants to do it on a tiny little windy lane which is about 8 miles long where michael schumacher would have trouble overtaking a milk float. its just not possible... whoever got in front 1st would stay there for the whole race!

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:09 pm

My advice? Give him a slap, tell him to piddle off and play with his action man (or Barbie if he's that way inclined) and stop rising to the bait so easily.

lee2003 · Post by **lee2003** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:21 pm

i agree with craig if hes that bad just tell him to bog off oh and give him a nappy change and dummy :!:

hes reading to much max power mines quicker than yours etc etc. god i must be getting old :shock:

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:31 pm

If yours were standard, then it maybe a close one - however with your spec, I would expect yours to come through the victor

lee2003 · Post by **lee2003** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:43 pm

heres an idea do you live near castle combe race track why not invite him down and have a proper race with him around a nice safe track with lots of run off etc and the first aiders there to put his jaw back in place after its hit the floor when you beat him

and if you do it for log books ill have the car of you as i need a skip :twisted:

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:50 pm

As long as Sharkys suspension setup is sorted I would back that, however Honda's do handle immsensly well from factory (for fwd) so would keep up with mr sharky at those twisties on the circuit

lee2003 · Post by **lee2003** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:59 pm

yer but this guy is not listening to reason so i doubt he could drive to the cars limits anyway. :wink:

his baseball cap might get in the way

if this is sorted ill travel all the way from essex just to see this

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:19 pm

Dans CRX now has a B18C4 in it - Wanna play with that one

Seriously - a 1.8VTi-S will give most cars a decent run for its money.

Mark

Sheaf · Post by **Sheaf** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:22 pm

sharky620ti wrote:cheers for that mate.

so how much does my ti weigh?

Pass.

I got that weight from
http://www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/kerbweights.htm
and it doesn't list the ti. I'm guessing somewhere around 1300 - 1350?
I think the civic comes with lead bumpers to make it that heavy. That website could be wrong however.

I forgot to mention the standard 1/4 mile time is 16.4 seconds.

However there are some quicker vtis about, I've heard of one guy who has exhaust & breathing mods and a teg gearbox who got 15.2s 1/4 I think...

And take a look at
http://forum.hondarevolutions.com/setups/?setupID=126

That's one seriously modded, and nice car. Somewhere around 300bhp it's supposed to be.

However as people have mentioned, on twisties it may have more of a chance, apparently they handle well, and they come with 282mm front discs as standard so the brakes aren't bad...

Alex.

lee2003 · Post by **lee2003** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:32 pm

totally agree with you mark there are some very quick ones around here and theres a turbo as well not been up against it but its around here somewhere its just that this young lad needs to know about rovers thats all mate if i said i could beat everybody id be down to his level as, i maybe getting older but im also wiser

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:56 pm

If your in Essex

Look out for a Silver CRX with a Carbon bonnet - It WILL kick a55 - seriously

I'm hoping for over 300hp from it !

Mark

lee2003 · Post by **lee2003** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:00 pm

where abouts mate im always interested in other cars ive built my own 205turbo a few years ago and that was knocking on the door of 300 bhp

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:40 pm

Mark wrote:Dans CRX now has a B18C4 in it - Wanna play with that one

Seriously - a 1.8VTi-S will give most cars a decent run for its money.

Mark

fersactly wot I'm saying

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:49 pm

lol, suspension is something that i dont wanna talk about at the moment.

the main thing that bothers me is that he has no idea about these car's. its as if he thinks its unmoddable (is that a word?)

he also added "even if its 800bhp, its still a rover" :roll:

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:09 am

sharky620ti wrote:lol, suspension is something that i dont wanna talk about at the moment.

the main thing that bothers me is that he has no idea about these car's. its as if he thinks its unmoddable (is that a word?)

he also added "even if its 800bhp, its still a rover"

Dont you just love the the old 'Rover' image thing, just put on yer flat cap smoke yer pipe and waste 'im

broona · Post by **broona** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:31 am

My dad's got a P reg 1.8 Vti 4 door saloon thingie, standard except for a stainless steel exhaust and some kind if 'Iceman?' induction kit. It's extremely quick for what it is, but I definitely wouldn't say it's 2 litre turbo quick. Totally kicks arse with my 220 GTI unfortunately!!! :oops:

Nash · Post by **Nash** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:54 am

My mate picks his CTR up this week so no dowt we will have a race just as a comparisson. He used to own a scooby wrx and said that when he was in mine felt just as quick if not quicker, i have drove it and can say theres not much difference[but then i got an airfield to test that on].

The point is he said theres no way i will beat you in the CTR thats from his mouth to. I have raced a CTR top end when was running 7psi and couldnt belive it when he had to move over to let me past as i was having to back off.

I have also raced a lads integra i know which is running about 187bhp he just beat me i was still running 7psi with a shagged manifold. He wouldnt stand a chance now but aint seen him about to prove it. Sharky if i can do that in an almost standard T16t then you will stuff him.

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:56 pm

sharky620ti wrote:lol, suspension is something that i dont wanna talk about at the moment.

the main thing that bothers me is that he has no idea about these car's. its as if he thinks its unmoddable (is that a word?)

he also added "even if its 800bhp, its still a rover"

Honda concerto = rover 200/400
Honda Accord = rover 600
Honda civic saloon = rover 400
Honda Legend = Rover 800

Helloooooo, McFly? :roll:

Sheaf · Post by **Sheaf** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:59 pm

He's got a point.

The Honda Civic 1.8 Vtis are basically a 400/45/ZS. They were built in a rover factory, and only available in the uk because of this. I'm guessing rover designed the chassis too cos they are still using it and honda aren't.

The engine is obviously honda though, and the suspension I think.

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:19 pm

No I would have thought that Rover didnt design the chassis - Honda dont use it anymore as they can afford the time/research to develop new chassis

Sheaf · Post by **Sheaf** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:26 pm

Good point.
If honda did design it, it was certianly nice of them to let rover keep using it, as the ZS has done well..
I was only guessing and basing it half on the thought that I think rover made the 200 chasis, but honda got to use the hatchback for the concerto.

I wonder why it was only honda who got the estate though, and only rover who got the saloon.

Although I think I remember seeing somwhere a civic estate modded to look like a rover, and with a t16 turbo in it. Think it was a motobuild jobbie.

Jonny 5 · Post by **Jonny 5** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:17 pm

Sheaf wrote: I'm guessing rover designed the chassis too cos they are still using it and honda aren't.

Thats more of a reason to suggest Honda design it.

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:22 pm

Sheaf wrote:Good point.
If honda did design it, it was certianly nice of them to let rover keep using it, as the ZS has done well..
I was only guessing and basing it half on the thought that I think rover made the 200 chasis, but honda got to use the hatchback for the concerto.

I wonder why it was only honda who got the estate though, and only rover who got the saloon.

Although I think I remember seeing somwhere a civic estate modded to look like a rover, and with a t16 turbo in it. Think it was a motobuild jobbie.

In the mk 2 200/400 it was a joint design by Rover/Honda - both learning off each other, when it came to the bubble 200 mk3 and 400 it was a whole Honda design.

bgunn · Post by **bgunn** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:28 pm

Bjorn wrote:
In the mk 2 200/400 it was a joint design by Rover/Honda - both learning off each other, when it came to the bubble 200 mk3 and 400 it was a whole Honda design.

The R3 is actually more Rover than the R8 - as the rear suspension is modified Maestro, the front suspension is the same - which was developed pretty equally..

The HH-R is pure Honda in terms of engineering..

Brian.